The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is just the beginning to the spiritual and supernatural journey -we go on to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Dont forget Old testament where the axe head raised up out of the water, and poisoned waters were made drinkable. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever! And yet He said, But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! (Luke 12:50). When man comes in and says look what we have done and is proud of that which has been done, then pride has entered in. The FIRE that is called down from heaven in the last days by the Antichrist and his ministers of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15) will lead to the wild fire spread of speaking in tongues. This I did. are called to go out and minister in the same, whether it is videoed or not! Faith is rising in my heart that God can use any of his children to minister to the sick. However, I watched the second video first. He thought God was going to leave him hanging out on a limb after Moses said all the things God told him to say. Torben told CBN News the documentary ruined his reputation in Denmark. Torben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. So when people tell me I try to obey the Lord , God showed me that really means no I do not obey Him always . My point is that I think it disappointing when someone wants to genuinely and biblically, test the spirits, and they are met with personal attacks rather than answering the genuine questions that are being raised. No I dont regret calling it a sad reaction. I know of a man whose leg was 1.5 shorter than the other. Besides which, if the Pharisees can witness healing and deliverance and accuse Jesus of having a demon, you just wont convince everyone even if they are standing right next to it when a miracle happens. We dont have to obey the law because the Father himself now tells us what is right and what is wrong. So if you dont speak in tongues you are: Torben Sndergaard even speaks about people being baptised multiple times; two, three and even four times in the following video, and he quotes Acts 19 to back up this teaching. He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. Andrew J I have been very specific and clear about the problems I have with Bill Johnson. See article on biblical explanation of. His reply? Egypt was a type of what we are called to come out of, the harlot church, by Gods grace let us not turn and become as those Egyptian priests. (1 John 5:5 NASB). Once again, you are putting water H2O on par with the blood of Jesus, and that, my friend is very, very dangerous. Thank you for the work put into the site, and sharing the vast amount of information & your in depth work regarding movements and doctrines that have steered off to the left or to the right, or gone astray following traditions of men or doctrines of demons and basically fallen short of the WAY, TRUTH & LIFE of Jesus our Lord and Savior. We walked out because we felt so oppressed. How about an ordinary man/woman telling people that they saw and went into HEAVEN and saw all these different many headed beasts and angels and chariots of fire? So while we dont put God in a box, I dont think we should ignore everything that we are told about the various gifts and parts either. Editing Comments: 1,664 talking about this. HEALED VIA YOUTUBE! Pass This Video On! If you dont believe that my testing of the spirits is being done in a biblical manner, then maybe you could suggest what you believe would be a proper biblical way to test the spirits. In fact, they should welcome any such testing. Im pretty sure there isnt any FEAR in the DIVINE Holy Spirit. Why there are so many conflicting statements here on the blog & not always the truth is that people have not been taught how God desires His Word to be interpreted. Just because there are counterfeits, is no reason to deny when God does something. Mom Chooses Life on an Abortionist's Table, Finally Meets Her Grateful Son 2 Decades Later and the Tears Flow, 'The Chosen' Creators Announce Season 3 Finale to Premiere in Theaters Nationwide - The Reaction Is Stunning, Viral Video: Mall Security Guard Tells Man Wearing 'Jesus Saves' T-Shirt 'Take It Off Or Leave', 'All Glory to GOD!' He sold all he had, quit his job and moved to Redding California, in what he thought was faith, to get his wife healed. Yeah, I think the bottom line is that people really need to read their bible more, and pray as you do it. Its a little annoying in other articles when everyone is living in the future worrying about the thousand year reign and who does what during the tribulation. A bush that burns but is never consumed And Peter said to them, Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38). If God lengthens a mans legs it is because He WANTS TO DO IT and because He loves the sons of men- that they would walk free of pain. Andrew JH thankyou for that good news update . Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? So the real test is that you will react to something the way Jesus wants you to react, and you are unable to do that if you dont always listen and obey. Im just having fun. Sometimes it is our fear for anothers situation which prompts intercession, the sharing of warnings, admonishments or what-have-you. Torben Kjr Sndergaard, bedre kendt som Torben Sndergaard (fdt 9. august 1976 [2] ), er en dansk radikal kristen forkynder fra Brande i Danmark. I told Your disciples to cast it out, and they could not do it. According to people present, Todd Bentley said: In the Bible, in John 5 provides a healing outpouring the Pool of Bethesda, which means an outpouring of grace. Marilyn- beautiful words Sister Here is a link to his youtube page:https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist. The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. We warn our children not to do things with their safety in mind but we dont call in fearmongering! They also said Torben has lost at least 30 pounds since being jailed, but told CBN News, "It is very clear that God is providing him with supernatural strength and peace. And we are not of weak faith when we weep and plead with the Father on somebodys behalf or stick our neck out to warn. And I will add that God will SEND His apostles, and prophets, etc.. to the people, just as He did with John the Baptist and every other man and woman of God that He has used over the centuries. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. I believe Torben has been shown a number of things that are (Luke 7: 14) Amen!!! So I am going to be featuring a lot more of Torbens stuff on here. After all, isnt the point of all this to bring people to Jesus and not focus on the healing? 3) to fear (i.e. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. So, you may now attack the truth once again. Foras many of you ashave been baptizedintoChristhave put onChrist. This is very subjective and there is absolutely no way for anyone watching the video to say with certainty if these healings are genuine or not, based on just watching the video. Attacks against his ministry in Denmark began in 2016,when the Jesus Center was investigated by six different Danish government agencies for everything from food safety to unpaid taxes. It needs to be the Holy Spirit enlightening our eyes with His keys for interpreting His Word. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.. Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? He was making the essential distinction between those who were Gods and those who were not, not a sectarian distinction among those who were Gods. And Jesus, being conscious that something had flowed from Him, said to Peter, Who touched Me?, Peter replied, Why, Master, You see the crowd, and do You still ask, Who touched Me?, I know somebody touched Me, He said, for I perceive that virtue has gone out of Me. (See Mark 5:2534.) If it is truly the work of the Holy Spirit, then why wouldnt those healed recognize this and repent and declare Jesus as Lord? Yet, there are millions who say to his face, Sorry Jesus, but you neither fulfilled the law of circumcision nor water baptism. Matthew 7: Where was the encouragement to `know Him more?`, I hope that as you read that misinformation that you will realise that it is not pointing us to our precious Lord, but just a confusing God is everywhereeven in the news. I really dont think hes a charlatan, I just think we SERIOUSLY need to consider not doing things that look like trickery. Where do you get your identity? The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. In fact, doesnt it say that we most certainly shouldnt do that, and then call it of God? Thank you Barry, & Gary I read about Wigglesworth from your link, & appreciated it also. My experience has shown me that a manifested miracle of God will always shake people who do not believe because it is not logical or normal and will cause brains who do not believe to go haywire for short period of time because logical dots will not connect with supernatural dots. God plants us as good seed WHERE HE WANTS US IN HIS FIELD- then we simply let Jesus shine out from us and people in the fields around us come running. For the promise is to you and your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call. 13:5). Spiritual warfare against demons are often focused on too much where true spiritual warfare requires heart healing, denying lies and walking in truth. a) to be troubled with cares Step 3. And guess what happened? You are mistaken in assuming when Jesus lengthens a mans leg that He copying the world my friend. That is the way the Pharisees operated with Jesus. Heres what the Pharisees and Scribes thought of Jesus ministry: Matthew 12:24 manifestations of Creation into a Whole Why Jews Support Black Causes Interview With Kevin April 19th, 2019 - 237 Comments Brother Nathanael December 29 2009 6 53 pm Dear Real Zionist News Family I am actually totally exhausted from working on this interview Just the same with the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT..The fruit are the NATURE/CHARACTER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (Gods Nature). Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. 2 To my utter astonishment she replied, Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. As proof of the spiritual authenticity of Torbens healings, you rely upon multitudes of people supporting your position. If you will analyze that Greek word, you will see it means the life or substance of His being, the quickening, living power of God, the very nature and being of God., Torben is doing what God has commssioned him to do & i think thats Awesome! Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? Any time anyone brings up her concerns she says in essence: Torben warns that we will be persecuted for our faith-you are the persecutors. Who says that someones new birth experience has to be like a drive up fast food place? For years he has been an ardent supporter of the Toronto manifestations movement. A man was in the corner with his shirt off screaming inaudibly at a mirror and writhing about as if he was on fire. God Bethel practices fire tunnels to get drunk in the spirit. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary titled God's Best Children, which lumped Sndergaard in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. Repent (change the inner man to meet Gods will) and do the works you did previously [when first you knew the Lord], or else I will visit you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and repent. The day is coming when nobody will question who is of God and who is not, because gross darkness will cover the earth and the people, but the glory of the Lord will be SEEN upon HIS people! By whose authority do you come hear and tell us that those people were not healed by Jesus? Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Likewise, the couple is the parent of their children in every way. to New Testament Christianity. ship. Another thing that delineates the two from one another is the issue of simplicity, this is very important, and I have been asking the Lord to define simplicity as HE means it, because I dont know how to capture it in words, but I think it does at least partly have to do with the right hand not knowing what the left is doing, as well as being CAREFUL not to make an idol of the things of God, the miracles, etc. Almost instantly it grew out. This is the understanding that GOD gave me, it is not of myself because I didnt have a clue. But . "Torben detailed his life in ministry. Because you have pushed with side and shoulder , butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. The fakes and charlatans lengthen legs to try to copy the original healings of God. These are genuine brothers in Christ, myself I have no doubt of that, I love them just from the videos, and I believe they have genuine spiritual gifts. Then we have the words ANXIOUS; WORRY; CONCERNED used 21 times in the NT. and also WITH the author of Hebrews. I believed that I had been healed by God. "Today Torben (Sndergaard) is sitting in jail . My friend, who had been talking to her, had been kneeling as he talked to her in his great earnestness. Amen Roger, good wordsimplicity. Yes, I do, but when I say I try to, that means in my mind that I realize that there will be times I will fail. Using Jesus' words in Luke chapter 10, Torben refreshingly reveals that Jesus' message was not only for His disciples and those who lived during that period of time . Philip TELEPORTED. He believes that the Holy Spirit, acting through him, can heal people. Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and 1) to be anxious Trenton- thanks for your question regarding whether Jesus ever copied one the the worlds methods or tricks they are good questions. Marie, i agree, there are people like what you describe. 1Pe 3:20-22 From the time of Noah (Gen6 -World buried under water) Next, Sister Lankford told of the man with no arm. We dont rely on one event or one experience as the whole crux of our spiritual salvation. supermarkets of America. . I found this with water immersion in the Name of the Lord. Listen, I can only tell you about someone that really has raised the dead and dying by the power of Yeshua. I promised her I did not get your email but will ask about it on the forum as I will also love it, as she said she is finding it difficult to post , not sure of the cause. I believe in the Power of the Lord to do miracles. https://friendsoftorben.comINTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bhiwc_nm_UOUR MOVIEShttps://thelastreforma. This why I said that you dont know me and you know absolutely nothing of my life. The healer used the leg pulling method I felt fire through my legs and into my lower back. Torben is actually seeing it work IN PRACTICE. So called religious devotion and zeal initiated by man IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE regardless out good intentions! Why fear testing if what you say is true. Does anyone know whats happened to Randall Lowrey? I pray that His peace and mercy be upon you and every person that reads your material. When we do so, we first learn that the word "apostle" comes from the Greek word apostolos, which means "one sent from or forth, a messenger, delegate" (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 99; Thayer, 1901, p. 68). For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section. I can understand that. Chas351 God has not changed, He still does miracles as signs following the gospel, and praise Him for it! Love you all in the LordLightning Storm, you sure do keep me on my toes. Lightning amen! The Hebrews made that same mistake and they got burned badly. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. Many Christians will fall into deception because of this speaking in tongues phenomenon and the Spirit of Fire that accompanies speaking in tongues. Unfortunately, my blog has been down for a bit, and I havent had a chance to get it back up. I have heard the context of that statement explained by Bill Johnson in one of his sermons, He clearly stated in that sermon that Jesus is God and then he said that Jesus didnt perform His miracles as God but as Man, He explained that he was making the point and he was very clear on this in his sermon that we as born again believers can do empowered by the Holy Spirit the same miracles which Jesus completed while He was on earth as Jesus wasnt using His Divinity to perform those miracles but was performed them as a surrendered Man to the will of God, i.e. Watchful- THIS work of God in us is holiness. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? None of these biblical miracles are present in WIERDSVILLE only out of control laughter, strange behaviors, hyper spirituality and complete powerless human sorcery . When you are born again you are automaticallySPIRITUALLYbaptised by Jesus Christ onto the One and Only baptism there is, where after the Holy Spirit comes to live in you. Okay, you may lamb baste me again good Christians. My initial reaction of the first video is that it is a hoax. Just a glimpse of God`s great work. I guess I was one of those people Andrew is referring too. It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. Im just given minimal paying jobs and I barely make enough money to even eat. It imposes burdens on folk that they were never meant to carry, as well as false guilt that they arent doing what so-and-so is doing. I believe God is Sovereign and all things happen for a reason, as i came to this site after looking up Leon du Preez( Thanks again), but just when i wanted to share that post, i found this one. That is a very big issue, in my view. Go Torben . Andrew and Torben, you are positively RIGHT ON! Past revivals, like doves dung, are excellent fertilizer as we study its revelations, but we are to SEEK FRESH REVELATION in each generation. 1 Corinthians 6:11. Its far more common then people realize. Will try the link you posted. Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. 0 20 20 comments Best So, he went out looking for sick people to pray for. their church out of control by the gifted ones. There are believers like me who are VERY cynical about some guy on the internet who claims to be able to heal people like this gentleman is doing. You must be part of the deception then because this stuff is of the occult, demonic manifestations , false signs meant to deceive. And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. Click the gear icon at the bottom right corner of the comment box, then click EDIT. The Holy Spirit & His Word agree. Fearmongers is a negative description of people who warn others. I am limiting my comments to the specific issue raised above of whether Bill Johnson believes in the Divinity of Christ which he does which makes him our brother in the Lord , I am not going there with respect to your previous question about your friend . 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. He told CBN News the documentary ruined his reputation in Denmark. Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 days old, and He was baptised by John the Baptist when He was 30. Christ is the greatest servant, and only He through us serves us and others. There have been times that you have fallen prey to allowing your zeal to post a story that was later found out to be untrue or not of the Lord. I have actually known Torben personally for 5 or 6 years. It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. God It is always Christ plus something else (usually new age). We need to cry out every day to God and say Lord I want more and He loves to hear us say this. Somebody asked about Bill Johnson He is the current Mayor of WIERDSVILLE or at least Deputy Mayor! As you said we are all parts of His Body & it is to Him we look & praise for what He is doing in us & in our brothers & sisters. But it seems there is a lot of cynicism out there. Look at all the healings in the NT. If water was able to wash away sins, we would have had no need of Jesus becoming flesh, of his cross, and of his blood. 4 Then said Paul, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Why cant people see this? I loved the videos! 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. You strain a gnat an swallow a camel! Contrary to almost any other Christian denomination, he teaches that salvation for a Christian is completed through baptism in water not using the Trinitarian formula,[19]as well as through baptism in the Holy Spirit with the manifestation of speaking in tongues, often saying dadadaadadadaa.[20][21][22][23][24]He also teaches that just as Jesus received the Holy Spirit through water baptism, it is through baptism that a Christian receives the Holy Spirit. Those clips only showed a small part of what was taking place (good or bad) and there is no way of telling just by that (unless God revealed it) whether it was of God or not. I have just posted a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that happen when this is done. This is a VERY important part of following Jesus , He tells everyone to do this . Maybe it was the fact that the video started So this is a challenge to all of us believers -wait upon Him, wait for the Holy Spirit unction and His power upon us from on high, and go out, wherever our going out is located geographically, and c) to reverence, venerate, to treat with deference or reverential obedience. We have to go forward into the `true,` thing.`. share the gospel. JeffM, I believe you misintrepeted my comment about obeying God. If a man comes performing miracles and his LIFESTYLE is one of self seeking, self indulgence, immorality, greed, materialism, selfish ambition THAT MAN IS A WOLF! I think you had better check those scriptures again. Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. Lets see why: Baptism in water was for Jewish unbelievers. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda [35][36]. A friend of mine said that it is unimportant how we baptize our job is just to save sinners. Marilyn. The descent into normalizing WIERDSVILLE: Step 1. 1 The Lord will honor the heart that seeks Him and is humble before Him, even if there are areas of the persons life which are not in full obedience to Him. And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. Thank you to Andrew Strom also, I found your article regarding Bill Johnson that I can send to my friend. The Hebrews had been praying for over 400 years and received no freedom from their judgment of slaverythey were filled with UNBELIEF. In other words, the Innocent One died for us, the guilty. When I read where Moses went up and God wrote the words on the tablets, and came back down the mountain, I find that those stones were written on sapphire.

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