(Greg Reeves), Something ain't quite right there. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. I would be interested to hear Bob Norwood's approach on this issue. (Will Price), I have noticed several folks mention the Dickerson 8014. Its a very useful exercise. CSE made the ferrule for me. They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). by cwood 05/08/09 02:51, Post So a 13 size ferrule has a female and male sleeve that is .203 and a male insert that is .1718 or 11/64's. A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. Straight tapers are just that, nobody needs to develop them, as if they did they wouldn't be straight anymore. Ya'll, I have built this & I use a 6 weight forward on it. Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? 40 .202 .375 It didn't make since to me but went ahead and planed the butt section the way it was listed. 0.168 90 0.329 ChristmasMissives - ChatRoom - PhotoGalleries - LineConversions - TheJourney - ExtremeRodmaking - Rodmaker'sPictures - Donate - Store. I based the statement of one SLT for a line weight on Bob Norwood's tip dimensions. One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. I can always build another and I'm sure I will. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". (Robin Haywood). (Al Baldauski). All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. Powered by Shopify. 90 0.296 157251. (Robin Haywood). 40 0.180 146694 7 wt 0.0790 Let's be honest about this. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. It might depend, but only a bit, on what you call "very nice" and I see that your figure for station rise was almost exactly the figure I suggested. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. . 70 0.271 This system could also be very helpful to understand why a classic taper feels the way it feels. I fish mostly Michigan streams where you are wading the stream casting to the edges, and casting to rising fish wherever you are lucky enough to find them. 0.241 25 .160 .308 Different tools for doing different things. 7613: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. Powell Rods. by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. You can build this rod and have a neutral action rod (my term). 5 .326 .168 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. The American Museum of Fly Fishing is the steward of the history, traditions, and practices of the sport of fly fishing and promotes the conservation of its waters. 8 wt 0.0830 .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. that drop is a hallmark of all 2pc dickerson tapers. . First found in the United States in 2014 in southeastern Pennsylvania, spotted lanternfly has spread rapidly through the eastern states. My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? 5 0.0825 A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. 0.229 Point Dimension I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. Granger. In fact, I use the 7613 that I made a lot of the time, even while Hex fishing last week on the Manistee! I have limited the list as practical to tapers which are not obviously taken from Hexrod.net, in RodDNA, or in contemporary books such as Howells, Gould or Mauer. F E Thomas. 0.153 (Tim Pembroke). ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. (Lew) Parks. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? (Gary Nicholson). These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. And, after you "get used to it" you will fall in love with this rod taper. Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. This taper, starting with a .068 tip dimension, makes a great middle distance 8' WF6 or 7-1/2' 5wt. 85 0.296 138357 (Robin Haywood). Inquiring solvent-afflicted minds want to know. Measured over varnish. $239.00 + $24.95 shipping (2) Vintage HEDDON PAL Casting Rods - #6277 Wormer 5'6"+ #6273 Musky Special 5' . Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. I think I originally posted this taper as Russ personally sent it to me. I have made several and all have been well received. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide. Rod Selection - Dickerson Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Dickerson Tapers, Can someone help me find the taper for the Dickerson 7613. This board is for discussing the collecting of bamboo fly rods, both classic and modern. In fact, I used this taper, hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test. 0 .326 .180 That is all I did! In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. Suggest that you subtract .006 for varnish. If you want a rod that feels like a SLT then you must compensate for the ferrules and varnish and guides by adding the proper amount of bamboo at the correct points on the taper. Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. (Dennis Higham). Chris' rod is also an 861711D. .203 is about all you can get into a 13/64 ferrule. There should be 20 measurements not 19. (Chris Obuchowski). 13/12. This board is for discussing the repair and restoration of bamboo fly rods, makers discussion and construction techniques relating to same. I think the 8014GS is up to the task. Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. There are about 4 to 5 version of the 7013, I like the 1970 version the best. Summers Bamboo Fly Rods Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Winston Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. 60 0.231 142296 It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. (Bob Norwood), The point, whether you like it or not, is that you cannot design a rod that much exceeds mediocrity by using straight tapers. You can draw a straight line between the tip and the butt of any taper. (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. Summers & Co. - Womens Sports ApparelBob with Granddaughter Cara FlyfishingGreat Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly FishingOutdoor Writer and Used Book SalesFishing and Wing Shooting Guide ServiceGreat Lakes Charter FishingSporting JewlerCustom GunsmithingFine Hand EngravingFine Reel & Rod Cases, 90 River Road, EastTraverse City, Michigan 49696 USAPhone/Fax (231) 946-7923bobsummers@charter.net, 2222 - 7. I made the Dickerson 7613 from the numbers in Jack Howells book. Are there specific numbers at the ferrule for, say, an 8013 where a 14/64's ferrule is used? I have been gobs smacked many times when the customer turns around and says I like this one. As most of you already know Paul Young was notorious for having quite a few different tapers for the same model over the course of his career. I have just finished reading your post regarding Straight Line Tapers and Straight horizontal Stress Curves and I must say that you as well as robin really do need a refresher course in Stress Curves. (Robin Haywood), Why don't you design some roll casting ability into every rod? The Paul Young Perfectionist. Quite a disparity. (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). In the local streams we suffer the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but use #4 or #3 lines. I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. And this set of conditions is very narrow. I don't think anyone fishes the same. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". 2 piece. I have had my rod alongside an original and except for mine being new they were identical. Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. by Jim 05/08/09 01:45, Post My 2 cents. Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! Stress curves are an integral part of this process and have to be evaluated. (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. (Jerry Foster). Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. Except that they are US rated and thus #5's! I think you have fallen into the same trap that so many people do and forgot to realize that Stress Curves are only good for the conditions under which they are derived; change the conditions and you have changed the Curve. ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. It does not do anything to the action as most of the last 3 inches is inside the ferrule anyway. It will be one of the rods in what I am calling my Basic Reference Taper set. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. .278@25 The line weight standards are simply points in what is really a continuous spectrum. 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. I fail to see anything in the manor of specifications for your making a point that you feel there is a difference between the two, in fact I would like to show you that they are, under the right conditions, EXACTLY THE SAME. Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. 0.144 Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. You may think you are being rude about "Classic" production methods, but they're probably better than mine. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. But if you change any of these inputs, the taper, length or weight of line cast, the stress curve will no longer be flat. .334@35 Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) It sounds very interesting. 35 0.1695 : This is a 5 wt line SLT. 45 .216 .375 You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. 45 0.186 158623 Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. The swell should start in front of the cork, at least 3" to 5". That has compensation for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides. I hope this helps you out some, they are actually all nice rods, but as I said there is a little different in line sizes. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. 0.078 Contact us to learn more about how we can help! That's like saying that only the 49ers could find gold. If you want the rod to have the same characteristics as before the change, the you must add some cane to the mid/butt of the rod to maintain the balance that was there before. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. The rod action will not resemble a straight line taper any longer. Varnish of 0.004 subtracted. As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. Unless that is what you are trying to achieve. A true 13-14 step down. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. The last page shows our interpolated numbers, on 5 inch stations, with varnish already subtracted, using both the Howell method (measure stations from the butt up) or the "classic" method (measure stations from the tip down.) I have made quite a few Dickerson tapers. I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. (Will Price), Is not 7'6'' a bit short for a five weight? My vote goes to L.C. Modified Lyle Dickerson 6611 Dry-Fly Action: 6' 6" 3 or 4: 11/64: 2/2: P702: Ponds, creeks . (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. The difference is for a step-down ferrule. .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. June - October Maybe they were off a little but I have no reason to believe that if his 13 die were 13.5 he would not have marked it thusly. And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. Measure over original varnish. You can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane or motorcar to do one thing superbly with ease. If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. Step Down debate again. While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. Ten measurements on the butt and ten stations on the tip. Some use this to define the average rod speed. No question my friend John Pickard is the way to go for a Dickerson reproduction. You can vary the slope to get the "speed" you want (Garrison's are .013/5"; a B-9 .015/5"; and I've built them as fast as .018/5"). 5 wt 0.0720 0.178 This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. (Jerry Foster). Just basic principles that have been around for years. The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. 0.214 (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? Some rods might in fact be best with a line weight that falls between two designated ones eg. (Will Price). So the data exists both ways in the spreadsheet. It has a small flex area in the lower tip with a stronger butt sloping up toward the end with a good butt swell; fast rod. The idea is that the butt must not bend, and when it does its only at the very end, if it bends further down then the height of the line above the ground is dramatically reduced and thus fully one half of the "High speed high line" proposition is not met. Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. 0.369 (Paul Blakley), I think a 7'6'' rod is short for any line weight. 0.360 (Jay Hake). I am sure there are situations where a bit more length would be helpful, but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson? I don't find the 7'6" length to be too short. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. Harry Boyd ----------- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com maker@canerods.com Aransas.clarks Guide Posts: 301 85 0.3145 However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. . It does handle a 7 very well too. They tend to be slightly faster action than the classic designs on which they were based. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. 0.232 Still own the other and it has a DT6 on it. The action, for those who are more familiar fishing graphite rods, is quite easy to get used to. 0.369 (Al Baldauski). by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. I deducted .005 for the varnish. (John Channer), I have never been able to describe to anyone else how a rod feels to them. Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? The '51 is a bit softer. It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. 0.232 Mr. Garrison did indeed design excellent rod tapers, but his tapers as well as all tapers ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL STRESS CURVE under a very specific set of line conditions, outside of these conditions the SC is no longer Horizontal or straight but just another Curve. I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. And well worth the little time it takes to execute. (Lee Koch), I primarily use RodDNA for my taper selection. Don't you find short rods a problem on those splendid Yorkshire chalk streams? I have never seen an actual inch by inch measure and measure for ferrules listed that I felt was more reliable than this. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. That's the "raw cane" numbers. Tom Smithwick. (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. Pickard is the Dickerson rod maker these days. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. (Will McMurrey). Post ), Then as it was, then again it will be. Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. The second you deviate from a straight line, no matter how you want to describe it, the fact that there was a straight line is irrelevant. We're committed to providing a safe, comfortable environment for our travelers. Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. I hope this is for step down ferrule. Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. 1951Accession No.1987.010.024Made byNARMCO, The American Museum Of Fly Fishing Could this be the difference between an 861711D and an 861711? All tapers are based solely or partially on the combinations of these basic deviations from the SLT. First, no one casts the same. 25 0.142 158834 You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. (Gordon Koppin), If I might ask: Which Perfectionist taper do you favor? Some rods, I think, have a regional quality to them, too, and just holding them gives one a kind of flavor of a particular time and place. 80 0.3 Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. 5 .096 .244 We will see how it turns out. John Pickard only way to go. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. Obviously, custom tapers take a little longer to develop and build. Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. Mystic Outdoors is the premier manufacturer of high-performance fly fishing equipment for new anglers and seasoned veterans alike. In terms of rod design I think that it is really worthwhile considering as many design approaches as possible when trying to design and assess tapers. If it's starting at the cork, somebody got their dimensions messed up. (Tom Peters), Dickerson used step down ferrules, use a CSE Step down to recreate that Dickerson classic action. Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. 0 0.072 - by FWdB 05/08/09 03:32, Post Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. The 8014 taper was devised later in Lyle's life and reflects both this ma We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. 0.088 (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. Short cased and portable. November - May These are Bob's dimensions. I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. The other point is that in the case of, for want of a better word, 'non-extreme' rods, I believe that what happens in the top 20" is the primary determinant of the line weight. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. Overhanging trees? To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". 0.369 25 .156 .310 70 0.261 133729 0.206 like .03%/inch. (Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". I only use short rods on overgrown streams. (Harry Boyd). Manchester, VT 05254 It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. Kind of sounds like a pro Pickard crowd here. This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. by avyoung 06/12/16 18:13, Post (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives 65 0.2565 (Rich Jezioro). (Steve Weiss). I'll give you a bit of background on the question. (Larry Swearingen). Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. In the end I don't want to necessarily build a Dickerson 7613. I like Paynes too! 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