They need to be got out of positions where they can knowingly expose innocents to harm. I caught this today: Dallas Theological Seminary is adding sexual abuse awareness training as a graduation requirement: http://m.christianpost.com/news/texas-seminary-require-ministry-students-complete-sexual-abuse-awareness-training-168750/?m=1. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. It cant be easy to have to deal with the cesspool on a regular basis.). There is a barbarian aspect to this. Real leaders are humble and they are transparent. Last I heard he converted to Catholism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhSk71gUCQ. I have yet to hear anyone else lay out how inadequate most churchs policies are for protecting kids, and why. "Honestly, I kind of remember being bitter about it," Hoffpauir said, recalling how Newman "withdrew" from his life as his relationship with his future wife began to blossom. No More Victims, whose organizers have not been made public, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, White. But Im still a bit traumatized by the tour of his office, which had all manner of animal trophies. Bless them, they pray for domestic violence victims in sunday church on a regular basis. The mega churches I was familiar with kept the big powerful law firm in town on retainer. HA. On this issue there has to be zero tolerance. I read their Bob Jones and ABWE reports. Its a tough gig for lawyers trying to represent victims of clergy sexual abuse. Normal people do not have a hypnotic affect, they do not seem to be the pinnacle of what a Christian should be. Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. The newspaper is now being sued by UK, under the claim that, in order to protect the victims, the facts should not be made public. He was sentenced to prison for two life sentences, with an additional 30 years. Yes, it looks like they went too far toward the OTHER extreme, resulting in creating an opening for the neo-Cal movement. Most never know anything much ( they dont even demand to see detailed budget on how their own money is spent ) unless someone speaks up. And a serious change in the attitude/ theology which seems to be popular today that there is no such thing as evil and that all sins are equally egregious and that repentance is a cure. During the late Cold War, wasnt the KGB term for such types Useful Idiots? A genuine person will never be invested in making you think theyre so wonderful. Yet fruit has nothing to do with it? Particularly when those who do it depend on the assistance of guides, trackers, and sometimes bait to make their kills. Been there, have the memories to prove it. many Calvinista leaders believe that God is so with them and their election and awesome leadership that nothing bad could ever happen to them. They used to. I knew a lot of them in seminary. . Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. And they seem to have friends in the local law enforcement that will cover for them too. I cant quote Criswell word for word, but he said that the man who pastors a church is the ruler of the church. Bryan Loritts was not the voyeur. Donald Trump. How does anyone overlook this? The problem is that people who abuse in such a fashion are SKILLED liars! How does anyone overlook this? When she called Sandy Wilson a narcissist, that was presumably a diagnosis, not merely name-calling. Unless there has been a radical change in how this church does business in the areas ofabuse and voyeurism, then I believe that the churchis unsafe for children as well asany adult. If they are doing stupid things and then make excuses for not making wise decisions, they are of the false church, regardless of who or what they loudly proclaim. They actually believe they can tell who is elect! The people have a right to know. They fool everyone. There can be no excuse, no rationalization, no mitigating factors. I wasnt aware GRACE promoted themselves as victim advocates, either. If a bunch of boy and girl kampers had been caught skinny dipping together without adult supervision (dont know if boys and girls have separate sessions at that camp, or are there at the same time), I wonder if they would have been sent home in disgrace? The next year, we started going to dallas instead , time to stop trusting in these clowns who preach that they KNOW who is saved or who is a real Christian. Frankly, when diversity takes that much of a hit, you can get some cult stuff developing . NO excuses exist that can make what happened to the little victims right. Did Fellowdhip leaders have the right intention when they allegedly destroyed evidence? Just? There can be no excuse, no rationalization, no mitigating factors. And this busi about getting expert witnesses to downplay the boys trauma, that makes me want to smash their faces with my fist. There has to be SOME concept of personal responsibility for decision-making, for actions taken . you wont convince me that one isnt a CYA hire! The head honchos at any place that does that, Joe White, John Bryson, Bryan Loritts .. I was not in the SBC much during the CR or in 2000. Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. What were some of the allegedactivities? Ive always been skeptical about things people say, so I chuffed at people who insisted that they had a call so I had to listen to them. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. Like Hoffpauir, Dygert says he accompanied Newman on speaking engagement trips linked to Kanakuk. Actually, it would be better if churches used a secular training program for abuse training. What does that mean in plain English, please? Christians many times do not guard against this and even cover it up! Its peaceful. Not a place that showed him perversion. Usually, the Real Presence is within a side chapel in a parish Church, and people can come in throughout the day and night and pray in that chapel. That doesnt work when we have allowed a ruling elite to continue who are above the laws they mandate for us. '", He added, "Now, looking back, I know no grown man should be hanging out with a little kid like that.". I very much appreciate what Brian has said because I think he speaks for a lot of young staffers who believed in Petes character and his testimony and were heartbroken at a deep level when they learned that Pete had betrayed so many. She me body referenced Dolly Partons theater, Dixie Stampede, with a dinner show featuring live horses. (Newman, camp owner White and Kanakuk were named as defendants in that case, first filed in 2015; White and Kanakuk were later dropped from the suit. All Very Righteous and Respectable and Christian(TM). Reading this makes me want to throw up!! But Pete Newman's guilty plea, according to lawyer David French and his wife Nancy, who wrote about the Kanakuk cases for The Dispatch, is "the tip of a terrible iceberg. This is not entirely alien to non-sacramental thinking since do we not all experience the presence of God in prayer usually more than on the golf course. Deceiving your own flock is okay, if you choose your words carefully enough? What is the Christian formation for the development of moral conscience within the neo-Cal theology??? Fellowship Memphis appears to have no problem exposing their congregation to a child sex abuser. But what happens to them? CPS would be called in case the perpetrator was a family member and there were other children in the home. Brian, you are partially getting it but not completely. IMO, I think most churches will be more receptive to a program billed as Christian to help educate them on how to prevent abuse. But practically impossible. Those poor zebras and giraffes. I am at a loss when it comes to people in institutions looking the other way. And future victims in that Church need protection from a leadership staff that knowingly would even let danger in the door. Our church is in an area that has a large proportion of Pentecostals. I usually chose a wide variety of day camps and other activities to fill their summer with fun. (we were considering membership)What church tells a almost grown kid that they cant have a cell phone in this day and age of sexual abuse.I never allowed my kids to attend sleepovers and the one time I felt reasonably safe about it(meaning sister was really mature and sibling was 15 and other friends older kids would look out for each other)my distrustful nature is proven right.I have seen and heard of so much wrong in the church in my lifetime I am a DONE,I still go to church (will not tithe again,I paid my part)but I really dont care anymore.!!! The kid had been throwing up the entire afternoon and was left alone in the room. This is so true and could be why ministry was a chosen path as people/kids in churches and para church ministries are easier to fool and come in automatically trusting leaders. I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. It happened at a bible camp. That church, and their pastor, Lee Roberson, would have personally pounded any counselor playing naked basketball with campers. That kind of betrayal of the innocents does not deserve any second chance. Ill tell you what. Kanakuk's leader, Joe White, claims to have served over 500,000 youth from all 50 states and around the world during its history. I have already listed what bothered me the most about what he said on the clip but did not mention his emphasizing that his materials were written specifically for Christians (and not the secular stuff, he insisted) and ithey are written shepherd to sheep and sheep to sheep. Amen Christiane. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. Birds of a feather flock together. The use of the word sin in terms of this pedophile doesnt go far enough. We should never forget that we live in the middle of a spiritual war where there are no cease fires. Its also known for gospel music and country music, isnt it? Just remember the side effect like Muslims after 9/11, Christians will circle the wagons against PERSECUTION!!!!! Unfortunately, it seems to indicate that Fellowship Memphis does not take either child sex abuse or voyeurism seriously. We should not be surprised about any of this because, again, Jesus warned us before hand. I had a very hard time believing any of it. Its not love; not when its MANdated by misogynists, no. Come to find out it was because they did not give tenure to a very Calvinist prof. Then these same Mohler appointed leaders, speaking for Ky baptists, threatened to take away the 1 million dollar a year subsidy to the college. The conservative, Christian community is very small in this city, and I was once very heavily involved in it. I talked to Keith.". . It could be literally years before a judgment comes inif ever. I have a word for the politicians who have used the issue to their advantage, but I assure everyone it is not Christian and it is not printable. Until I read Joel Gregorys book and started blogging I had no idea he spent most of the post CR years one step gap head of the firing ax but always landing on his feet. @ Refugee: but how does God doesnt meet with them there when He has said, The abuseexperiencelastedfrom 1999 until roughly 2003, during the time that Newman was a counselor at Branson-based Kanakuk Kamps. The same goes for all of the reports of nude Bible studies, etc. Even when long time Christian leaders are caught, excuses are made because we are all sinners. And she looked at me (at the birthday dinner). "We graduated college, we spent about 10 years away from Branson, just being free and clear of everything this town has to offer. I had a very hard time believing any of it. They are really parsing words instead warning the parents and students? We must honor them with listening. I cried. We will never stop being sorry for the pain inflicted on victims. Its almost an obsession with him. I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. They *keep* themselves ignorant and gullible. The bigger, more scary, question is why people in the pews go along with that thinking. @ ishy: Under the circumstances, all things considered, HEADLESS, the evidence points in that direction yes. It means they are selling you something, in this case themselves. so, from this Scripture, would this not flow logically: Deep within his conscience, Reading through the articles posted at Eagles blog, it sounds like she wanted women Elders and her Gospel Coalition (because of course) pastor was all NOPE. Hoffpauirsaid he was in seventh grade when he first encountered Newman. By my reading, the Pharisees were several notches better than these thugs. They flatter and groom- not just their victims but everyone. @ Divorce Minister: (Im sure there were campers getting together in high school but thats sort of normal). And, you know, some of these kids go for a month. He was never a Kanakuk camper, but he said he took part in plenty of activities with Newman. Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. Our informant, having heard about the Newman situation, questioned Bryan Loritts about Peter Newmans position at the church. Dygert referred Hoffpauir then living overseas to Staples, who talked to Hoffpauir using the Skype app. This is called the Real Presence. We do not officially believe in transubstantiation, a catholic doctrine, to explain the Real presence, but some episcopalians do believe that, or so I understand. If it werent so ludicrous it would almost be funny. It does not name Kanakuk as a defendant. A rare man. Fellowship has it. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. (Id also have no problem suing a church into oblivion if their negligence caused my child harm.) No wonder there are so many problems. I dont know how the congregation as a whole felt. Lea wrote: Hoffpauir grew up in Branson. I dont understand why Christian organizations feel that they have to reinvent the wheel or use Christian versions of products. Haw! FIFTEEN YEARS of grooming third parties. They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. They tend to be very unrealistic about people. When I received the phone call in 09 from a mutual friend about what Pete had done, I was in total shock. Companies sent people to training to show insurance companies they took it seriously. time to stop trusting in these clowns who preach that they KNOW who is saved or who is a real Christian. I don't carewhether the abuserswere volunteers, contractors, or direct hires, the church still bears responsibility for its actions. Im going to disagree with you on that. This sort of reminds me of what I saw happen with the sexual harassment industry years ago. Camp officials also allowed Newman to "continue to promote himself all over America as an expert on teenage sexual purity.". Btw: I never heard sola scriptura and the other solas except in the Reformed world. Maintaining relationships inside the neo-cal industrial complex is key. As far as our informant knows, the church attendees werenot informed of Peter Newman'sserious issues. (?) Even when long time Christian leaders are caught, excuses are made because we are all sinners. @ Lydia: He may be hired for the training aspect. I have had a calling towards Student Ministry for many years and volunteered alongside Pete at the local Methodist Church. Thank you! There are powers that are ancient and evil that we cannot see that lie behind the scandals that we can. Just a slightly different perspective: I want to thank the former attendee of this church for revealing the following information. Hard to tell whos who and who did what with so many of these clowns milling around scratching each others backs. He currently resides inBranson, Missouri, with his wife, Debbie Jo. . I suppose that is the effect that Mohlers Calvinism (TULIP) has on his thinking (Total Depravity) ??? But by the fruit that is produced. Seeing this, I look back at all the churches I went to where this was not allowed and keep wondering what on earth were they afraid of here??!. If they came across as perverts, they would not get the trust they do. A huge and disastrous law suit would be a good place to start. I dont know. As a chid I was awed by the idea that God might actually be there. Thats okay, I saw them at the Western Kentucky State Fair 3rd row seat, front and center! I dare you to even try.. In documents filed Wednesday in U. S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, the plaintiffs in a $10 million lawsuit against White, Newman, and Kanakuk, listed as John and Jane Doe, acting behalf of their son, indicated that White and Kanakuk have not left them alone . Please pray for a successful surgery, rides, and help from others. No one else said it was wrong. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. And I will say to them, be gone from Me I never knew you, workers of lawlessness. In an effort to be completely honest,Dee got sucked into the hype for this camp and two of our children spent a few summers there. And it would not have happened to the Catholic church if not for the Boston Globe team. If White had not read any of this easily available information, then he had not business being in the business of camp.. . What I am saying is that if we make it to their benefit or not to the detriment (carrot and stick) for the average church to do the right thing, we will protect more people from being victims. As for Fellowship Memphiswhy am I not surprised? one who is truly humble can draw thousands to Christ. Hire family and family of family and people we know from conferences, etc.. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: They have a need right now for food, gas, car insurance, and some basic bills. Have you (and Billy) heard of attorney/child advocate/author Andrew Vachss? Can she not add and subtract? Any decent person would want to protect children. Example:word on the street for years is the private prayer language bit came from PPs desire to rid the IMB of its then current President for his own reasons. It is nothing new, it has been around since the early days of the first church. She was surprised at how many parents just went along. September 2009: Newman is arrested & thenreleased on$50,000 bond along with a court order not to be around children but he continues working at the church. IMO talking about conscience does indeed get close to reason and experience, except I dont think that is a bad thing. They certainly seem militant, OKRAPOD, yes. places like Bob Jones, SGM, etc. He was imprisoned following his 2010 sentencingon seven felony counts of sexually abusing boys, in connection with his role as a Kanakuk counselor. I would go one further and say that its a popular vacation site for christians and conservative folks who like tradition. Putting a building on a pedestal does not fall in that category. It beggars the mind, it really does. I can only conclude that they simple dont care whether anyone is abused in that church. All this presumes that leadership in a church cares a flying fig about the people in the pews. The attention he got from Newman felt like "you've got this really special thing," Dygert told the News-Leader. Suing policy aside, I thought his information for churches was very good. I love that. I read their Bob Jones and ABWE reports. That one is chilling. last and in between it was always what does the bible say about that and one then was expected to go by what the bible said, not by what one just thought for themselves. There are some decent people in church, and if we can teach them that is all to the good. This list of examples I could cite is pretty long. ( take out the war like metaphor and think take on life). There really are three different services we are talking about here that maybe should not be covered by the same company. Velour wrote: Why do people keep supporting such places? Even without intentions, entropy easily sets in over time and they can drift into serious Cult territory. Interest we picked the same guy as an example. And this inappropriate behavior didnt raise any red flags for them? CEO and Board Chair, and his wife Debbie-Jo, Vice President, who inherited their roles from Joe's parents in the 1970s. The church oversaw several businesses run by members, including a building contractor. Amen, and even Penn State cleaned house when it blew up But not a Christain organization Instead, lets further tear fiwn the victims to defefend ourselves Yup, they really are modeling Christ.. On this issue there has to be zero tolerance. In early February 13years after Hoffpauir told his wife about theabuse, and more than two decadesafter he says it began Hoffpauir finally, for the first time, told his parents about the pain that he suffered in secret. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). I dont view PP and the like as fundamentalists but politicians selling their personal brand. I dont remember having seen any of this in the news at the time. 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